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	<title>Comments on: Google Maps packs in the data with LTA and Quantum Inventions</title>
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		<title>By: Safe Debt Management</title>
		<link>http://www.techgoondu.com/2009/11/19/google-maps-packs-in-the-data-with-lta-and-quantum-inventions/comment-page-1/#comment-7862</link>
		<dc:creator>Safe Debt Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Earth lets you fly anywhere on Earth to view satellite imagery, maps, terrain, 3D buildings.</description>
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		<title>By: Gothere.sg launches new iPhone application &#124; Techgoondu</title>
		<link>http://www.techgoondu.com/2009/11/19/google-maps-packs-in-the-data-with-lta-and-quantum-inventions/comment-page-1/#comment-7141</link>
		<dc:creator>Gothere.sg launches new iPhone application &#124; Techgoondu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 05:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unfortunately, ever since big behemoths like Google maps entered Singapore, it has made the mapping business a really hard one to compete in. It&#8217;s an inherently unfair [...]</description>
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		<title>By: edvarcl</title>
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		<dc:creator>edvarcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, Onghu.

Though your statement states that my article &quot;tries to establish that local players get sidelined&quot; is &lt;b&gt;generally&lt;/b&gt; correct. You failed to note the first sub-header in the story: &lt;b&gt;&quot;Are homegrown online maps being side-lined?&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

I was referring specifically to the sidelining of online map platforms. QI is not a online map platform at the point of publishing. 

As a fellow startup owner, I am happy to know that a local startup (QI) is benefiting from this tripartite relationship.

However, I am concerned on one point you raised--that &lt;b&gt;&quot;other companies can use the resources from all of these to build their map applications&quot;&lt;/b&gt;. Prior to that statement, you cited the unique services of OneMap and QI. 

I would like to point out to Techgoondu readers that these local &quot;unique services&quot; which also includes V3, are either not free or are notoriously difficult to gain access to, due to proprietary and/or legacy systems or the data owner&#039;s own unwillingness.

Disclosure: I no longer write for Techgoondu and am currently hacking it as a social media manager at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediacom.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MediaCom&lt;/a&gt; and running &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edvarcl.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a variety of other media-related projects&lt;/a&gt; on the side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Onghu.</p>
<p>Though your statement states that my article &#8220;tries to establish that local players get sidelined&#8221; is <b>generally</b> correct. You failed to note the first sub-header in the story: <b>&#8220;Are homegrown online maps being side-lined?&#8221;</b></p>
<p>I was referring specifically to the sidelining of online map platforms. QI is not a online map platform at the point of publishing. </p>
<p>As a fellow startup owner, I am happy to know that a local startup (QI) is benefiting from this tripartite relationship.</p>
<p>However, I am concerned on one point you raised&#8211;that <b>&#8220;other companies can use the resources from all of these to build their map applications&#8221;</b>. Prior to that statement, you cited the unique services of OneMap and QI. </p>
<p>I would like to point out to Techgoondu readers that these local &#8220;unique services&#8221; which also includes V3, are either not free or are notoriously difficult to gain access to, due to proprietary and/or legacy systems or the data owner&#8217;s own unwillingness.</p>
<p>Disclosure: I no longer write for Techgoondu and am currently hacking it as a social media manager at <a href="http://www.mediacom.com" rel="nofollow">MediaCom</a> and running <a href="http://www.edvarcl.com" rel="nofollow">a variety of other media-related projects</a> on the side.</p>
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		<title>By: Onghu</title>
		<link>http://www.techgoondu.com/2009/11/19/google-maps-packs-in-the-data-with-lta-and-quantum-inventions/comment-page-1/#comment-6879</link>
		<dc:creator>Onghu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the article tries to establish that local players get sidelined, I think it fails to mention that Quantum Inventions is also a &#039;small local company&#039; - Google chose to work with a small local company in the launch since QI provided a piece that was needed for their launch.  

However, the way that Google works has meant that this collaboration has resulted in gothere.sg having a free traffic data overlay for their maps - so, it&#039;s not a clear cut decision between winners/ losers.

I feel that there is a space for the local companies:
* GoThere has good local maps and has added great value in their public transport routing.
* QI does a lot more with real-time parking and traffic, and personalization - currently, only www.qi.com.sg offers traffic-aware routing free of charge online. (the article notes that Google doesn&#039;t do traffic-aware routing at this stage)
* OneMap (ok, not a small local company!) has certain kinds of information that are not available elsewhere
* Other companies can use the resources from all of these to build their map applications.

Disclaimer: During the day, I work at QI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the article tries to establish that local players get sidelined, I think it fails to mention that Quantum Inventions is also a &#8216;small local company&#8217; &#8211; Google chose to work with a small local company in the launch since QI provided a piece that was needed for their launch.  </p>
<p>However, the way that Google works has meant that this collaboration has resulted in gothere.sg having a free traffic data overlay for their maps &#8211; so, it&#8217;s not a clear cut decision between winners/ losers.</p>
<p>I feel that there is a space for the local companies:<br />
* GoThere has good local maps and has added great value in their public transport routing.<br />
* QI does a lot more with real-time parking and traffic, and personalization &#8211; currently, only <a href="http://www.qi.com.sg" rel="nofollow">http://www.qi.com.sg</a> offers traffic-aware routing free of charge online. (the article notes that Google doesn&#8217;t do traffic-aware routing at this stage)<br />
* OneMap (ok, not a small local company!) has certain kinds of information that are not available elsewhere<br />
* Other companies can use the resources from all of these to build their map applications.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: During the day, I work at QI.</p>
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		<title>By: Sashsash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sashsash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but all that muscling may just crush out homegrown talents lacking support from their own government.&quot; 

Yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but all that muscling may just crush out homegrown talents lacking support from their own government.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: Street View turned on in Singapore &#124; Techgoondu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Street View turned on in Singapore &#124; Techgoondu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the implementation of live traffic and its maplets platform on November 19, Google has almost completed its geo-index of the country and will certainly make it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Tech: 25 Nov 2009</title>
		<link>http://www.techgoondu.com/2009/11/19/google-maps-packs-in-the-data-with-lta-and-quantum-inventions/comment-page-1/#comment-1803</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Tech: 25 Nov 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - TechGoondu: Google Maps packs in the data with LTA and Quantum Inventions - Tech65: Google Maps finally fully featured in Singapore (HD Video Demo) - TechGoondu: Google Maps [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chi-Loong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chi-Loong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Ed.

LTA wins -- and to be fair, so do Singaporeans -- when they open their content data to all and sundry .

Google wins, and it&#039;s a no-brainer for them to include the information into their platform for more reach and  potential ad revenue. Look at just how they &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/technology/companies/29gps.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;destroyed GPS app makers like Garmin and TomTom&lt;/a&gt; with their foray into free GPS map applications about a month back. Why would phone makers &lt;i&gt;pay&lt;/i&gt; for the GPS app when they can get it for free?

So the ones that lose out are small players in the mapping space, like Gothere.sg. It&#039;s a story oft-repeated in the tech industry: Promising enterprises get killed when a big competitor comes along and throws their huge colossal muscle behind it, no matter if the smaller company has a better product (at least for now till Google throws its R&amp;D behind it).

For example, Gothere.sg has had street level views since last year -- TBs of photos they had to go around and shoot all around the island  -- that Google will get around to do so. Their map data is their own and probably the freshest out there -- hours of work driving down every Singapore street -- and not based on existing maps of Teledata, like Google takes its map data from. And from a mobile perspective, Gothere (and even Rednano) already had mobile public transport routing available on their platforms, so this isn&#039;t new by any long shot.

I&#039;ll admit I&#039;m biased towards Gothere -- no, I don&#039;t work for them in any form, shape or way -- because I like the founders, their scrappy fighting ethic (journalists love an underdog), but mainly because their product is an excellent one that was crafted with sweat and tears. Unfortunately, they are running into a behemoth here.

An aside rant here.

Yes, I understand that our government loves to be technology agnostic and always picks the pragmatic route. But besides luring MNCs and importing talents at ludicrous rates, help our local start-ups, even if it means being a little biased.

And I don&#039;t mean by disbursing money via MDA grants -- a topic for another time -- but by government arms sticking your neck out and giving these start-ups more business rather than doing the &quot;safe&quot; management thing and partner/buy from a large established MNC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Ed.</p>
<p>LTA wins &#8212; and to be fair, so do Singaporeans &#8212; when they open their content data to all and sundry .</p>
<p>Google wins, and it&#8217;s a no-brainer for them to include the information into their platform for more reach and  potential ad revenue. Look at just how they <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/technology/companies/29gps.html" rel="nofollow">destroyed GPS app makers like Garmin and TomTom</a> with their foray into free GPS map applications about a month back. Why would phone makers <i>pay</i> for the GPS app when they can get it for free?</p>
<p>So the ones that lose out are small players in the mapping space, like Gothere.sg. It&#8217;s a story oft-repeated in the tech industry: Promising enterprises get killed when a big competitor comes along and throws their huge colossal muscle behind it, no matter if the smaller company has a better product (at least for now till Google throws its R&amp;D behind it).</p>
<p>For example, Gothere.sg has had street level views since last year &#8212; TBs of photos they had to go around and shoot all around the island  &#8212; that Google will get around to do so. Their map data is their own and probably the freshest out there &#8212; hours of work driving down every Singapore street &#8212; and not based on existing maps of Teledata, like Google takes its map data from. And from a mobile perspective, Gothere (and even Rednano) already had mobile public transport routing available on their platforms, so this isn&#8217;t new by any long shot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit I&#8217;m biased towards Gothere &#8212; no, I don&#8217;t work for them in any form, shape or way &#8212; because I like the founders, their scrappy fighting ethic (journalists love an underdog), but mainly because their product is an excellent one that was crafted with sweat and tears. Unfortunately, they are running into a behemoth here.</p>
<p>An aside rant here.</p>
<p>Yes, I understand that our government loves to be technology agnostic and always picks the pragmatic route. But besides luring MNCs and importing talents at ludicrous rates, help our local start-ups, even if it means being a little biased.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t mean by disbursing money via MDA grants &#8212; a topic for another time &#8212; but by government arms sticking your neck out and giving these start-ups more business rather than doing the &#8220;safe&#8221; management thing and partner/buy from a large established MNC.</p>
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		<title>By: Google Maps SG partners with LTA &#124; Techgoondu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Maps SG partners with LTA &#124; Techgoondu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] get the scoop, read this space by lunchtime tomorrow (19 November) for the latest as we post direct from the event [...]</description>
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		<title>By: get around with google maps &#171; always0nline</title>
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		<dc:creator>get around with google maps &#171; always0nline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] get around with google&#160;maps   Published 19 November 2009   always0nline Leave a&#160;Comment Tags: google maps, iphone, ipod touch, ipod, lta, quantum inventions, wifi, transportation      Full details here: http://www.techgoondu.com/2009/11/19/google-maps-packs-in-the-data-with-lta-and-quantum-inventions/ [...]</description>
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